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Talk:Was the United States founded on Christianity?

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Latest revision as of 23:03, 12 January 2009

This is my first contribution here. This article is probably much longer than it needs to be, and rambles, but it's something to start from nevertheless. Fix it, carve it up, zap it entirely, doesn't matter! --PsiCop 13:25, 27 September 2007 (CDT)

Absolutely AWESOME work PsyCop! I think it's a great contribution! --Pile 13:28, 27 September 2007 (CDT)

Added discussion of founding documents. --PsiCop 15:02, 27 September 2007 (CDT)

Can you really call yourself a Christian if you do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth served as the Christ?

"Example: Deism. Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists, especially as we now understand this term, but some in their own day would have said they were Christian. The main reason is that they took the term Christian literally ... i.e. they believed in the importance of Jesus Christ and that, in a very simple sense, made them Christians (or followers of Christ)."

Hold on there. The word "Christ" serves as a title, not a surname (if a Jesus existed, he did not have parents named Joseph Christ and Mary Christ). This title means "messiah". So, how in the world can you call yourself a Christian if you do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth served as the messiah? That resembles somebody believing that Diana Prince never actually had the dual identity of the Amazon Wonder Woman, never had Gaea's girdle or the magic lasso, but still calling themselves an Amazonist, or that Clark Kent never had the dual identity of the Kryptonian Superman but still calling yourself a Kryptonist. Does not the Library of Congress list the subject as "Jesus of Nazareth" to remain neutral"

19:21, 21 October 2008 (CDT)19:28, 21 October 2008 (CDT)~Enda80

That all depends on what you think "Messiah" means. What it means for Jesus to have been "Christ" has different meanings to different Christians, both in the present and historically. Deists like Jefferson revered Jesus as a teacher, especially of morals and ethics. In that context, Jesus was definitely "Christ" to them, since they considered it a mission of the Messiah to be a teacher. PsiCop 22:03, 12 January 2009 (CST)

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